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If A New Hope was about hope, The Empire Strikes Back is about Russia.

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Not the cinematic kind with swelling music, but the kind that shows up as deadlines

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and setbacks and situations you did not ask for, but now you have to survive.

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Whether it’s bounty hunters closing in or plans just falling apart in real time,

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this is where the story stops asking who you could be and starts revealing who you are.

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This is number two in the Bounce Rates exploration of the original Star Wars trilogy,

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and today we’re talking about the Empire Strikes Back and the valuable lessons

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that we learned and we think everyone can learn from the Empire Strikes Back.

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I love Empire Strikes Back. How do you feel about it?

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Oh, it’s universally loved.

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I agree somewhat. It should be universally loved. I agree somewhat.

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I have a traumatic experience where I was- I can’t help it if your girlfriend

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dumped you the night of Empire Strikes Back.

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That is not related to this movie. I was not alive. Or no, it was like just

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hanging out with friends or something.

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And we’re like, hey, which one are we going to watch? And then I said,

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oh, they asked me which one I wanted to watch. I said, Empire Strikes Back.

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And they’re like, what? The slow, boring one? No.

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See? And that person is in prison. And yeah, where they should be for that crime,

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for that very crime. That crime.

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Technically, from a movie perspective, it’s probably the best movie.

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I think it’s the only one nominated for any kind of like, I think it was nominated

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for an Academy Award or something.

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It wasn’t special effects. Yeah, for non-VFX.

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But it is well written. There’s a lot of lessons to be had. The first thing

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that I want to kind of talk about is the concept of the fact that you’re not paid to be comfortable.

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You’re paid to perform under pressure.

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When everything is normal and okay, that is nice.

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But that’s not normally the job. And I think that the events of Empire Strikes

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Back are kind of a good indication of that,

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where it would be nice if Luke could just chill out on Dagobah and just, you know…

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Train at a leisurely pace, but that is not what’s going on. And you,

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you have to get it in gear sometimes.

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I think an excellent example of that is Han Solo, who again,

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by universal standards is the coolest character in all the Star Wars trilogies and entire universe.

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He does not go around mentoring people. He is not sitting at a desk.

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He is the most awesome guy in the universe.

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Only… Romance or what? Hey, respect where respect is due. Platonic romance.

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It would not be platonic.

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But where he shows his awesomeness is where he’s under pressure and he does something.

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So even, even the most, like when we first get introduced to him, he’s like, yeah, okay.

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I, you know, and you don’t know whether he’s a scumbag or what he is and the,

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and they’re negotiating on him carrying them off the planet.

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And he’s like, yeah, I could do this. I mean, you know, I’m pretty good and

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so forth, but then he has a run and immediately afterwards with a bounty hunter

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and the guy is talk, talk, and then action, right?

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Cause he shoots him. I I mean, okay, so it’s a little extreme,

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but still, I mean, that’s where we find out he’s a total badass.

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Now, unfortunately, that happened in A New Hope with Old Greed.

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Yeah, well, okay. But I have a great example for that that a lot of people make

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fun of, but I’m like, no, he’s, yeah, absolutely.

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And that is, in this episode, they have to visit a place called Cloud City.

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Remember the Cloud City?

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Yeah. It’s run by Lando Calrissian. You don’t have to look at,

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when you ask these questions, you

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don’t have to look at me. I understand questioning whether James knows.

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You don’t have to look over here. Just making sure. Just nod.

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I’ll be nodding. I’m just nodding. We’re on the same page. I’m just trying to

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be part of the group and like, yeah.

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We’re going to bully him after if he doesn’t. I think we’re bullying him now.

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They’re on the Cloud City. They do not realize that Cloud City has been corrupted, taken over.

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And Han Solo is taken to this private banquet room.

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And when they open it up, who’s standing there?

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Darth, nobody, no one but Darth Vader, the literal scariest figure in the whole

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galaxy, immediately Han Solo, without a word, takes out his blaster and starts shooting him. Yeah.

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Which, you know, a lot of people are like, oh, number one, he did not,

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like, try to run or cower in fear.

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Two, he did not seem like words were the appropriate response at that moment. It was just…

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So we’re in a moment and we have to take action.

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Interestingly, though, one of the other most badass things that not the character,

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but the actor did that made the character do something was having to do with words.

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So shortly after that scene, he’s getting frozen in carbonite.

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Princess Leia is there and she says, I love you.

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And Harrison Ford actually improv these lines.

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He said, I know, because that’s, of course, what Han Solo would say. He’s not going to.

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That’s pretty bad. I mean, that is. I know. I know. You know,

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and then gets frozen and shipped off again.

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He earns his keep when things are at their worst.

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Any other time in the show, like when he’s on Hoth at the beginning of the movie,

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she they’re having fights.

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She just doesn’t like what he does because he’s not following the rules.

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He’s not doing his stuff.

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And then when everything hits the fan, he does what he needs to do.

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And all of a sudden, he is one of the main characters, one of the best characters,

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one of the most beloved people in the universe for that on that side.

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Yeah. So I would argue to that original statement you made, the job is all the

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boring, normal stuff, but you prove your value when the stuff hits the fan.

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I might even say so. I’m going to. Yeah, I think that’s right.

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And I think what you not only do you prove your value, that’s when you you receive the benefit.

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And like the military gets paid, I mean, it’s hard because we’re actually at work.

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They get paid bonuses for going to war.

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That’s when we can talk about a peacetime war machine, a peacetime military,

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and there’s a lot of pressure to downplay that.

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But then when war comes, it’s like all expenses.

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Go for it. This is what we want them to do.

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And I think in your business, it’s the same way. You can be going along,

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doing your day-to-day, doing the routine, showing up when something really happens.

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And it can be something. It doesn’t have to be Darth Vader, right?

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It could be somebody’s birthday parties get canceled somewhere else and they

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show up at your door at your restaurant.

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When, you know, when staff don’t come in, when, when that person you’re,

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that’s been looking at so many houses finally makes the decision and you have

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to be Johnny on the spot right there to do the deal. That’s when you earn your keep.

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That’s when you show the value. That’s when people actually appreciate.

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And, and it’s not the day to day, but the, you have to have all that day to day to get to that point.

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Yeah. I think that’s a great point. And also it, it.

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And you’re right in that we, once we get a routine, I think as humans,

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we say, all right, I like this routine. I’m used to this routine.

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And then once something happens that we’re not expecting, we pull a,

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I guess, a C-3PO and we freak out and we go, this is not part of the routine,

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which is- solo and they just start shooting away exactly well exactly

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and that’s the thing like when you when you get to that point

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that the routine changes do you turn seat

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creepio and go i don’t know what any of this is and this is

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not the protocol i’m used to or do you turn han solo

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and open up a a tauntaun no you you turn to luke skywalker because han solo’s

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already doing something yeah exactly yeah so but i i think that also ties in

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so it’s interesting to our So another takeaway that we really want to get to

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everybody in this episode is,

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so you’re not paid to be comfortable. You’re paid to perform under pressure.

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And there’s a neat corollary that goes with that, that progress feels slow until suddenly it isn’t.

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Yeah. And that is such a key thing, too. I mean, and I love that your friends

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were like, oh, the slow one.

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But that’s what made the movie so amazing.

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The pacing in that movie is just great. It is build up and build up and then tension release.

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And, and even at the end, they, I mean, because it’s, they leave it on a cliffhanger.

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I mean, it’s not quite a cliffhanger. We, well, we kind of, I mean,

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we know what people are going to go do, but it’s unresolved.

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And, and all of that kind of,

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there’s this progress and cadence that has to happen and you have to,

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you, I’m going to put it this way.

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This is probably how your friends see it. You have to endure the movie to get

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to that point, to get to the release, to get to the, to the thing that’s really exciting. To an extent.

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Yeah. I, the thing is I love the visuals of it. So I, it didn’t feel like it

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was work and I feel like it starts to action right away,

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but your point is, is correct in that you have, But you have to go through the

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setup to get a bigger payoff.

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So I think this kind of transitions into one of the characters that are the

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most beloved character, I think, from the entire movie. That is Yoda.

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And I don’t. He’s not my favorite Jedi.

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He’s cool. He’s a cool guy. Yeah.

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I was always on the fence for Yoda. Yeah.

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I mean, I get it. Like, he can teach me the force and stuff. He can teach Luke.

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But he seemed, I guess, you know, and I’m not as steeped in Star Wars lore.

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I don’t know what he did for the first 900 years. Of his life? Yeah.

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Well. Because, I mean, he let things become a mess. I’m like,

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if I’m going to live for 900 years, it seems like, you know,

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I’d hope that at the end of that 900 years, things would be in a better shape.

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Well, hold on. Hold on.

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I’m like, for starters, just invest $1 at 4%. 900 years later,

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you’re one of the richest guys on the planet.

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They kind of did that with the clone army. They were like, hey, someone…

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And Master Saifo-Diaz was like, hey, something’s going to happen.

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And so he started building. I thought you were going to say they did that with

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Douglas Adams and the restaurant at the end of the universe.

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Well, they did that, too.

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Well, if you remember, Yoda.

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Well, to your point about when things change. So, sure. When we first see Yoda

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in episode one, he has spent 900 years of his life just going along.

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Yeah, doing nothing. I’m like, what is with this guy? I mean,

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talk about slow until something happens. It was the status quo. He became a Jedi.

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You know, when something happens in the real Star Wars universe is when he dies,

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that’s when something starts happening.

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He just spent a lot of time preparing his, you know, the words he was going to say.

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Because he’s a man of few words and he’s always got, like, a powerful statement.

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So, you know, he was jotting down stuff.

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So, yeah, he was ready. He had to mentally reverse his sentences.

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He was prepared and scripted, but I don’t think that’s how, I think you should

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be prepared, but unscripted.

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See Han Solo prepared, unscripted.

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Wow. Wow, James. I mean, that was nice. You snuck that in really well.

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So kind of going back to the point there of, I just want to say,

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I’m taking away, you know, where you go through all the setup or you do all

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this work and then you get the payoff, right?

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I mean, you kind of have to, in my world, what I think about is you have to embrace the suck.

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Because that’s going to lead to the payoff, the prospecting if you’re a sales

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rep or if you’re a realtor, you’ve got to show a bunch of houses.

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But if you can embrace that, knowing that it’s leading to the payoff,

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I think that can help the mindset.

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I think that’s really intuitive. the fact that I personally believe that we

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all operate not on what’s happening right now, but on what we believe the outcomes can be.

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And this is so true. Well, it’s so true for a local business owner.

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They are looking at the dream of where I can end up.

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And as long as I feel like I’m making progress towards that,

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I can have negative cashflow this month.

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That’s okay, because I know eventually I’m going to write that course.

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And as long as I’m going in the right direction, it works.

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And I do think that goes back to that idea of progress is slow until suddenly it isn’t.

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That things rarely happen as quickly as I want, but they often happen faster

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than I expect or than I need, because they happen basically when I need them to.

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So I may be a business. I may struggle, struggle, struggle, struggle.

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And then all of the sudden I start looking at my numbers and I say,

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oh, gosh, look, this was a good month.

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Oh, hey, I’m getting this regular business in. Oh, hey, that is actually starting to work.

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Oh, I’ve got new employees that are doing what they need to do.

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And I found the right people.

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And and and that is it. I’m going to translate it.

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I’m going to do another version of embrace the suck because I think I get that, right?

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And that’s a military term that they talk, you know, if you’re in boot camp

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or, you know, embrace the suck and so forth. And it’s very machismo.

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And I totally think that’s a good way to deal with that if that applies or if that works for you.

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I think the way I tend to think about it is you have to show up.

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Yes. And you got to show up. And so I will tell you, do you know how you will

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never be successful in business? Go out of business.

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I will tell you, you can’t, right?

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It’s sort of like you miss 100% of the shots you don’t make or 100% of short

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putts don’t go in the hole.

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So you have to be there. And you’ve seen this at Click and Crate.

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You’ve seen this at Station. I’ve seen this at Click and Crate and at Station

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and in my life. and what I’ve seen with our customers is.

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So I think a lot of customers, of our customers, a lot of people,

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especially like in marketing, you give up.

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You say, oh, well, you know, this isn’t working and you’re done.

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And I think the only, I have very few regrets in my life.

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Sorry, I’m going off on a long thing here. But the only regret I really have

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is there are a couple places where I used to work, like Shell Oil was one of

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them. I didn’t give it long enough.

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And it may not have turned out, been the right place. It may not have,

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but I, I will never know because I wasn’t there long enough and I just didn’t stick it out.

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Well, that makes me think about when I was with Click and Create,

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I’ve worked with quite a few different consultants, but one of them,

00:15:52.831 –> 00:15:57.011
I really liked this consultant and every year he’d have like a party and all

00:15:57.011 –> 00:16:01.331
his clients would come and gather around and he does this like talk, this speech.

00:16:01.451 –> 00:16:07.931
Right. And, and basically he was saying like, look guys, the majority of doing

00:16:07.931 –> 00:16:12.131
your business is boring, right? You’ve got to, you know, that’s part of it, right?

00:16:12.211 –> 00:16:14.651
You got to show up, you got to keep going, you know? And then of course you

00:16:14.651 –> 00:16:18.251
have some exciting peaks and stuff and valleys, but that always stuck with me.

00:16:18.311 –> 00:16:19.371
I was like, you know, like.

00:16:20.277 –> 00:16:24.737
There is, it can be boring, right? No matter what you’re doing at times,

00:16:24.777 –> 00:16:26.817
but that’s the setup, I guess.

00:16:27.477 –> 00:16:34.057
And also it’s a matter of just being open to those moments that feel like a

00:16:34.057 –> 00:16:41.277
crisis, but also are your chance to become a straight up Jedi master where you’re like, all right,

00:16:41.417 –> 00:16:43.417
I don’t feel trained enough for

00:16:43.417 –> 00:16:49.597
this moment, but this is literally a time that a Jedi master is needed.

00:16:49.597 –> 00:16:54.217
So I’m going to take action and do that. Or a rebellion.

00:16:54.417 –> 00:16:57.397
You’re just like, all right, so this rebellion that I’m doing,

00:16:57.557 –> 00:16:58.517
we’re just trudging along trying

00:16:58.517 –> 00:17:03.377
to build steam, but we have a big opening, so we’ve got to go for it.

00:17:03.557 –> 00:17:06.877
And to bring it back all the way, I’m going to bring this.

00:17:07.057 –> 00:17:13.097
So because we are, for the most astute audience members that we have,

00:17:13.297 –> 00:17:18.297
they will realize we have actually completely mimicked mimicked the plot and

00:17:18.297 –> 00:17:23.097
flow of the Empire Strikes Back. So I’m going to bring this all the way back to Yoda.

00:17:23.477 –> 00:17:26.457
In his famous line, there is no try.

00:17:27.254 –> 00:17:33.974
There’s only dude. Now, I always hated this growing up because- That statement? Yeah. Interesting.

00:17:34.934 –> 00:17:38.994
Did anyone see the- Well, all right. So I don’t know if y’all get this,

00:17:39.094 –> 00:17:45.934
but I get a lot of man motivation TikToks on my feed that are like- Do you know

00:17:45.934 –> 00:17:48.534
what I’m talking about? No. I do not. Okay.

00:17:50.214 –> 00:17:54.654
That’s your world, man. That’s your world. Hey, James, you’re off the hook.

00:17:54.714 –> 00:17:55.834
We got a new guy to make fun of.

00:17:57.174 –> 00:17:59.994
Like man motivation i’m passing you the torch buddy

00:17:59.994 –> 00:18:02.734
what are you talking about well on my news feed you’re a

00:18:02.734 –> 00:18:06.174
good man go be a no oh man

00:18:06.174 –> 00:18:13.194
motivation is you’re nothing oh everyone else woke up at you know you know woke

00:18:13.194 –> 00:18:16.634
up at five every day that you don’t wake up at four o’clock well stop liking

00:18:16.634 –> 00:18:22.414
those videos man don’t even slow down on them you’re like you You’ve got to

00:18:22.414 –> 00:18:23.694
be what the algorithm knows.

00:18:23.934 –> 00:18:29.674
No, but I think that there is. They’re repulsive and yet oddly compelling for you.

00:18:29.774 –> 00:18:34.614
No, but I think that there is science behind it because whenever I am at the

00:18:34.614 –> 00:18:40.254
gym, my motivation is always like, I got to get in gear.

00:18:40.574 –> 00:18:45.274
And it’s kind of like a negative thing versus like, hey, look how great success

00:18:45.274 –> 00:18:47.434
can look and a positive thing.

00:18:47.774 –> 00:18:53.034
You should come to the gym with me after work. I know. Is it a super positive experience?

00:18:53.394 –> 00:18:56.414
Oh, absolutely. Every session ends in a hug therapy.

00:18:56.794 –> 00:18:59.734
The point I’m trying to make- Eric’s been trying to come for a while,

00:18:59.814 –> 00:19:03.554
but like- He wants that hug therapy so bad. So bad.

00:19:03.834 –> 00:19:05.034
Yeah. The point I’m trying to

00:19:05.034 –> 00:19:09.414
make is that when I first- When people would first talk about the saying-

00:19:09.970 –> 00:19:13.490
Do or do not do, there is no try. I thought it was like a defeatist thing.

00:19:13.630 –> 00:19:18.630
I thought it was saying like, you’re a failure if you don’t do,

00:19:18.850 –> 00:19:20.870
because trying means nothing.

00:19:21.170 –> 00:19:29.830
And it was later in my life that I realized that it’s more about a mindset, in my opinion.

00:19:29.830 –> 00:19:35.590
I think it’s saying that if you go into something saying,

00:19:35.970 –> 00:19:38.790
well, I’m just going to try this out, then that’s the best

00:19:38.790 –> 00:19:43.750
it’s ever going to be is well i tried that but if you and your mind has have

00:19:43.750 –> 00:19:50.630
said what i want in my life is this then you’re setting yourself up for success

00:19:50.630 –> 00:19:54.090
and that’s kind of what i’ve what i’ve interpreted that you know you just brought

00:19:54.090 –> 00:19:57.870
me back to my school days taking a multiple question test,

00:19:58.470 –> 00:20:01.830
and like overthinking the answer you know i mean like you read him like that

00:20:01.830 –> 00:20:05.830
could be the answer you know i mean because like he really dug into that statement

00:20:05.830 –> 00:20:08.790
like i think i think they took him off. I don’t know.

00:20:09.070 –> 00:20:13.330
Did they have… Scantrons? No, no, no. For the SAT analogies. Yeah.

00:20:13.850 –> 00:20:17.130
You still had analogies? I was the last year that… Those were the…

00:20:17.130 –> 00:20:20.610
Because I was always like, well, this could be this in so many ways.

00:20:22.070 –> 00:20:28.370
I mean, are we looking at number of letters and so forth? And that always drove me crazy.

00:20:28.510 –> 00:20:32.010
That just made me think. No, no. I mean, but yeah, I could see that now that

00:20:32.010 –> 00:20:36.190
you said that. I could see how you can interpret it that way, right?

00:20:36.390 –> 00:20:38.890
But I didn’t interpret it that way. How did you interpret it?

00:20:38.950 –> 00:20:43.050
I just took it as a very simple, like, hey, get out there and do stuff. Just go do it.

00:20:43.270 –> 00:20:47.790
Yeah, do it. Because it makes it happen. And failure or success isn’t the measure of success.

00:20:48.530 –> 00:20:55.390
Yeah. That’s how I looked at it. I mean, it’s a little of, like in that particular

00:20:55.390 –> 00:20:59.990
scene, because he’s trying to lift the X-wing up. He wasn’t trying to lift it. Right, right.

00:21:00.410 –> 00:21:04.910
Yeah. No, no, no. Yoda was. But Luke beforehand This is what prompted the whole

00:21:04.910 –> 00:21:09.990
thing And in there it does kind of sound like Look if you’re going to do it just do it dude,

00:21:10.763 –> 00:21:14.443
Don’t, there’s like, there’s no, don’t just try. Like if you’re trying,

00:21:14.663 –> 00:21:17.863
if you have the idea that you can fail, you will fail.

00:21:18.043 –> 00:21:20.983
That’s kind of how it comes across in the movie. But, and that’s what I’m saying.

00:21:21.103 –> 00:21:27.863
Like it took me some years of adulthood for me to realize he wasn’t saying you

00:21:27.863 –> 00:21:29.583
suck because you can’t do this.

00:21:29.723 –> 00:21:38.683
He was saying that we all are failures and the differences are our attitude.

00:21:38.683 –> 00:21:44.543
See, I think it’s taking it—I think the only way you can really interpret that,

00:21:44.583 –> 00:21:47.783
and I think I’m backfilling now because I don’t think this was in the movie at all.

00:21:49.403 –> 00:21:53.783
But I think that sentiment is—,

00:21:54.442 –> 00:22:01.882
If you’re trying something, you are doing it really with this aspect of,

00:22:02.082 –> 00:22:06.982
you know, there’s a good chance I’m going to fail or not even a good chance, but I may fail.

00:22:08.582 –> 00:22:12.822
And that’s why I go back to the idea of you just do it.

00:22:13.462 –> 00:22:16.742
Whatever happens, happens at the end of that. Doesn’t matter.

00:22:16.742 –> 00:22:19.642
If he if he can’t if luke can’t get

00:22:19.642 –> 00:22:23.242
the the x-wing out of the swamp right it

00:22:23.242 –> 00:22:26.982
wasn’t so much that he said i i

00:22:26.982 –> 00:22:30.022
i’m trying but i can’t do it that’s not

00:22:30.022 –> 00:22:32.762
really the problem he says i mean he should okay i’m gonna

00:22:32.762 –> 00:22:35.702
do this yeah it didn’t work right that’s

00:22:35.702 –> 00:22:38.282
kind of how he should have come out of that i mean like because there are some

00:22:38.282 –> 00:22:43.542
things you can’t do yeah well that is exactly what i’m saying but what i’m saying

00:22:43.542 –> 00:22:50.122
is like the whole idea of like cowboy up or man up or it’s like you know just

00:22:50.122 –> 00:22:54.522
a toxic phrase just do it yeah it is you know i should stop saying it to my boys,

00:22:55.142 –> 00:23:00.042
i mean i don’t know what i’m just kidding but to say like to say you know just

00:23:00.042 –> 00:23:05.102
do it can feel negative and really what it’s about is positive it’s about saying

00:23:05.102 –> 00:23:08.822
i mean the idea yeah i guess i depend on who’s saying it right because i remember

00:23:08.822 –> 00:23:12.822
a coach in the eighth grade in football and that he was not saying it in a positive way. Yeah.

00:23:13.202 –> 00:23:16.782
Yeah. So we’re going to cap this off with some individual perspectives that

00:23:16.782 –> 00:23:19.362
we have about Empire. I’ll start.

00:23:19.562 –> 00:23:26.922
So one of, I think, the superstar characters of Star Wars, number one, Lobot, love Lobot.

00:23:27.222 –> 00:23:32.042
Number two, we’ve got Nian Yumb, which I think he’s another superstar.

00:23:32.522 –> 00:23:34.082
Well, that’s a great point.

00:23:34.762 –> 00:23:38.942
He’s the one that the Ewoks sing about. Yum, yum. He’s absolutely not that.

00:23:39.162 –> 00:23:40.022
He’s not. He’s not there.

00:23:40.262 –> 00:23:43.482
Because he’s in the Return of the Jedi. He’s in the Millennium Falcon.

00:23:43.702 –> 00:23:46.682
He’s the one that destroys the Death Star at the end of Return of the Jedi.

00:23:47.150 –> 00:23:50.070
And that’s why the Ewoks are celebrating him. Spoiler alert.

00:23:53.330 –> 00:23:57.970
We’re going to play the Ewok song next episode, and you’re going to hear him going, nub nub.

00:23:58.190 –> 00:24:03.810
So I want to issue an apology for true Star Wars fans who know that- Who have

00:24:03.810 –> 00:24:05.430
just been revealed the truth.

00:24:05.510 –> 00:24:08.910
Who know that these are completely different spellings, obviously.

00:24:08.910 –> 00:24:11.270
I don’t know how it is spelled in the sheet music.

00:24:11.550 –> 00:24:14.890
We absolutely- It was phonetic. I promise you. It’s phonetic.

00:24:14.970 –> 00:24:16.970
I promise you I have the sheet music.

00:24:17.950 –> 00:24:23.910
I’m going to have to see that. Lobot, of course, is Lando’s executive assistant

00:24:23.910 –> 00:24:27.870
who’s got a little thing around his head that lights up when he needs him.

00:24:28.030 –> 00:24:29.530
I like how he said, of course.

00:24:29.750 –> 00:24:33.530
Yeah, and Neenum is Lando’s co-pilot.

00:24:34.070 –> 00:24:38.090
And these two, he also works with Hansel.

00:24:38.310 –> 00:24:46.110
But these two characters, no dialogue, but they kick in the clutch when needed.

00:24:46.110 –> 00:24:52.890
And I always think that’s a good metaphor for being a leader versus being a follower.

00:24:53.290 –> 00:24:58.390
And Han Solo is a good example of this too. Although he does things on his own,

00:24:59.070 –> 00:25:02.050
I don’t know if you could call him a leader.

00:25:03.170 –> 00:25:09.890
As far as vision, oftentimes he’s using his own talents to support someone else’s vision.

00:25:10.070 –> 00:25:14.190
So I think in that sense he is. But something I’ve learned is,

00:25:14.410 –> 00:25:17.550
you know, they say lead, follow, or get out of the way.

00:25:18.670 –> 00:25:22.130
Sometimes following, sometimes supporting is important.

00:25:22.745 –> 00:25:25.945
Just the better role at the time. Like

00:25:25.945 –> 00:25:29.245
you might not be the figurehead in

00:25:29.245 –> 00:25:36.245
every single decision and learning how to change gears and become a right-hand

00:25:36.245 –> 00:25:43.745
supporter versus the decision maker is a great skill to have because you oftentimes

00:25:43.745 –> 00:25:47.445
are the key to success being a competent supporter.

00:25:47.625 –> 00:25:50.145
I like that point a lot. I mean, especially as a business owner.

00:25:50.625 –> 00:25:56.705
I mean, yeah, you need to kind of take a back seat sometimes and listen to other

00:25:56.705 –> 00:25:59.625
people, right? I mean, that’s kind of pulled from that.

00:25:59.885 –> 00:26:04.045
I think it’s also that on, because I love that point as well.

00:26:04.145 –> 00:26:10.105
And I think it’s something that is so endemic to teamwork that you need to let

00:26:10.105 –> 00:26:13.405
the people that do their job best do their job. Yeah.

00:26:13.645 –> 00:26:16.065
I mean, if you look at like a soccer team or a football team,

00:26:16.165 –> 00:26:19.945
I mean, there are, the tight end is not going to make a good quarterback.

00:26:20.145 –> 00:26:21.265
It’s just not going to happen.

00:26:21.545 –> 00:26:24.525
And you can lead from those side positions too.

00:26:24.785 –> 00:26:29.505
You can actually be a leader by supporting in the way that you do because it

00:26:29.505 –> 00:26:33.565
shows other people, hey, they need to support the organization. You need to be aligned.

00:26:33.825 –> 00:26:39.185
And that’s what really works. It certainly is a big difference in a large organization,

00:26:39.205 –> 00:26:42.785
but even if any, if, if, oh shoot, I can’t even remember the,

00:26:42.785 –> 00:26:45.165
uh, uh, bear, the bear, what’s the bear,

00:26:45.585 –> 00:26:50.765
even, even in the, like the bear is shown even in a restaurant in a Philly cheese steak restaurant.

00:26:51.697 –> 00:26:56.117
Having people be assigned, do their job, know that I can count on that,

00:26:56.257 –> 00:26:59.737
know that the rest of the team can count on those other people makes the difference

00:26:59.737 –> 00:27:00.877
in being successful or not.

00:27:01.217 –> 00:27:04.177
Yeah, I think and I think business owners have a tough time because they do

00:27:04.177 –> 00:27:07.597
have to do so much to get to a certain point.

00:27:07.937 –> 00:27:12.097
But then at some point, you’ve got to sit. You’ve got to let people do their

00:27:12.097 –> 00:27:16.377
thing so that, you know, you can advance scale.

00:27:16.917 –> 00:27:21.937
Absolutely. Lando skills are not low bot skills. and as it should be.

00:27:22.477 –> 00:27:25.797
And then, James, you had a great point about the beginning of the film,

00:27:25.957 –> 00:27:31.137
but I want you to remember, can you remember what we, because we told you what

00:27:31.137 –> 00:27:33.937
these robots were called, what these vehicles were called.

00:27:34.277 –> 00:27:39.377
Can you recall what they are called? Not the TIE fighters, right?

00:27:40.477 –> 00:27:44.317
No. That was different. I just know you had those, these were so cool.

00:27:44.417 –> 00:27:48.557
These will always leave a lasting impression to me. Those big,

00:27:48.777 –> 00:27:53.797
I don’t, they look like, almost like animals, but they’re. And how were they propelled?

00:27:54.077 –> 00:28:00.097
How did they move? They were on four legs. And what do you call that when you’re on legs and you move?

00:28:00.777 –> 00:28:04.017
What is somebody that they’re not, they’re not, they’re not,

00:28:04.137 –> 00:28:08.457
you know, moving really, really fast, right? So it’s kind of just a slow.

00:28:09.117 –> 00:28:15.537
Yeah. I mean. If you were going out for a. Walking. Oh. So they’re. Big walkers.

00:28:16.537 –> 00:28:22.477
Yes. That’s it. The big walkers. Big walkers. And I love that they were like-

00:28:23.808 –> 00:28:28.088
Hey, 10-4, good buddy, good Darth Vader. This is Darth Vader out here,

00:28:28.188 –> 00:28:30.888
and I’m doing on the 5-9. Wait, were they really big walkers?

00:28:31.468 –> 00:28:35.108
Okay, I was like, what? They are walkers. Huh? They are walkers.

00:28:35.108 –> 00:28:36.848
Just walkers. Yeah, at, at.

00:28:37.228 –> 00:28:40.968
But they were like, it felt like it was an impossible task to bring those things

00:28:40.968 –> 00:28:42.368
down. They were massive, right?

00:28:43.988 –> 00:28:48.948
And ultimately, you know, firepower, all the tools they had weren’t really working

00:28:48.948 –> 00:28:54.368
that they used to fight. so they had to get outside the box and use some cable

00:28:54.368 –> 00:28:58.308
cords or whatever to wrap them up and trip them. They had to go to the garage. Yeah.

00:29:00.428 –> 00:29:04.608
So it’s so interesting how Empire Strikes Back is a mashup.

00:29:04.748 –> 00:29:07.448
You’ve got Smokey and the Bandit and the Walkers going along.

00:29:07.568 –> 00:29:12.408
You’ve got MacGyver coming up with wire and band-aids to trip them.

00:29:12.788 –> 00:29:15.968
It’s just a fascinating whole universe, really.

00:29:16.148 –> 00:29:20.688
This is why it won the Academy Award for best adaptation of multiple movies.

00:29:20.848 –> 00:29:23.448
Is that what the word was? But you’re right.

00:29:23.688 –> 00:29:27.908
The movie kicks off with ingenuity, saying, right, let’s…

00:29:28.508 –> 00:29:30.708
And also, you know, there’s a bigger…

00:29:32.216 –> 00:29:37.016
Arc of the fact that once an organization gets so big, so bloated,

00:29:37.236 –> 00:29:39.156
that it can’t think of everything.

00:29:39.576 –> 00:29:43.936
And it goes, well, certainly someone’s not going to take a tow cable and wrap

00:29:43.936 –> 00:29:45.356
it around the legs of the thing.

00:29:45.576 –> 00:29:50.396
And sure enough, just like, oh, that exhaust port. No, it’s too small.

00:29:50.636 –> 00:29:54.476
So for me, looking at this and after having this conversation,

00:29:54.676 –> 00:29:56.196
I really appreciate this conversation

00:29:56.196 –> 00:29:59.856
because it’s given me a whole new perspective on Empire Strikes Back.

00:30:00.436 –> 00:30:05.396
I think we We go back to some of these concepts about, you know,

00:30:05.596 –> 00:30:11.516
about things happening slowly. And I look at Leia’s and Han Solo’s relationship.

00:30:12.056 –> 00:30:18.836
I look at them in the, at Hoth and the conflict that they had because they weren’t really doing anything.

00:30:19.036 –> 00:30:23.516
And it’s like, okay, well, nothing’s happening. So we don’t have these reasons pushing us together.

00:30:23.516 –> 00:30:28.856
And then when push comes to shut and then leia starts having more of an appreciation frown,

00:30:29.516 –> 00:30:35.496
as he demonstrates his amazing skill and outwitting the empire and and trying

00:30:35.496 –> 00:30:39.956
to outsmart the bounty hunters and she’s like oh my god he’s he’s actually amazing

00:30:39.956 –> 00:30:43.476
and starts appreciating him for different stuff like okay he’s not the staid

00:30:43.476 –> 00:30:48.996
guy that will be here for and be up but oh wow look at all this stuff.

00:30:49.376 –> 00:30:54.916
And I think for me, the lesson is that if you’re really hot and you have a relationship,

00:30:55.076 –> 00:30:59.516
you know, you can get over that day-to-day stuff, then your son’s going to come

00:30:59.516 –> 00:31:01.016
back in a sequel and kill you eventually.

00:31:01.780 –> 00:31:05.900
I think that’s highly applicable to my day-to-day. Exactly.

00:31:06.260 –> 00:31:10.100
I’ve got a question. That’s why I only had a daughter. I shouldn’t ask it,

00:31:10.100 –> 00:31:13.260
but I thought Princess Leia and Luke Skywalker were together.

00:31:14.980 –> 00:31:18.780
Well, we’re going to get into that later.

00:31:20.000 –> 00:31:24.780
Did that ever happen? That is actually in the next episode.

00:31:25.120 –> 00:31:29.420
We will talk in depth about that. But he is right in Empire.

00:31:29.760 –> 00:31:33.960
She does kiss Luke. They gave a little smooch. They gave us just a smooch. Okay.

00:31:34.160 –> 00:31:37.760
Yeah, she’s actually trying to make Han jealous, in fact.

00:31:38.000 –> 00:31:40.480
Well, all we see is the smooch.

00:31:41.040 –> 00:31:46.880
No, that’s all they do is the smooch. Let’s be very, very, very clear.

00:31:47.800 –> 00:31:52.740
So if this chapter, if your chapter feels like a grind, that’s probably good.

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That means you’re in the part where things are actually being forged, frozen in carbonite.

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Pressure is not the enemy. It is the reveal.

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And the sooner that you accept that you are not here for comfort,

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that’s the sooner you can start performing at a whole new Jedi level.