The Bounce Rate Podcast

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Return of the Jedi was supposed to be a victory lap.

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If a new hope is to spark, an empire is to pressure, then this movie is to pay off.

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Heroes are ready. The plan is set and everything should go smoothly,

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but everyone has a plan until you get punched in the mouth.

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That was from my favorite Jedi, Mike Tyson.

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Because for local business owners, winning isn’t about the perfect strategy.

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It’s about what you do when things don’t go according to plan.

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It would be nice in this film if everything went according to plan for them, but it doesn’t.

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But you know what? So there were, I think there are two amazing incidents in

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this podcast. I’m going to get meta for a second, please.

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One went exactly according to plan and the other did not start off as the plan,

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but is going to be awesome.

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And this, this episode is going to be the payoff. So one, I don’t know if everybody

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has noticed the amazing soundtrack we have at the front of these, each of these episodes.

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And I will say that we ended with a soundtrack from Star Wars that was just

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as good as the quality as to which it was played.

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Because the Ewok theme is horrible, and we finally ramped down to the theme

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that matched my ability to play trumpet.

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Well, Eric hates the Ewoks. Let’s just put that out of there.

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I hate the Ewoks. Evidently, I kind of hate trumpet, too.

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Well, I, you know, here’s the deal, and we may or may not get into it.

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What Eric sees as a bug, I see as a feature.

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That song, even George Lucas, that song was written by John Williams’ son,

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and John Williams had to create another song for it for the release because

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it was so bad. Well, hold on. What?

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John Williams had to produce what? So the Ewok finale from Return of the Jedi.

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Yub Nub, the Ewok celebration song. Yub Nub.

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Okay, just stop right there. Yub Nub. That was written not by John Williams,

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creator of the amazing soundtrack to which we all know and love.

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It was written by his son, Joseph Williams.

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Who was a child at the time? No, I think he was older. Because John Williams

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has been around forever.

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Okay, but then you said he had to re-release something. Yes,

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because when George Lucas re-released the Star Wars movies in the 90s,

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everybody hated that song and the ending and the Ewoks so much.

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They canned that song So you have to go to the original Soundtrack to get that

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song If you get the updated ones That song’s gone And they have a different version.

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That song I don’t know which one The one I played at the beginning Da-yub-nub Da-da-da-da-da,

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Yeah, they redid that song. No, they didn’t. Yeah, they did.

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What’s going on right now? Are you saying that they re-recorded Yub Nub?

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No, they blew the song. They rearranged it and re-recorded it. Yes. Wait. Yes.

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They remastered it? No, no, no. They canned the song. All right.

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You’re saying two different things. No, I’m not.

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All right. They canned the song. It’s gone. Yub Nub is gone.

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And then John Williams created a replacement song. Yes. And that song goes…

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I don’t know the exact… Because I’m not a fan of the remakes.

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I’m telling you, that did happen. I don’t know…

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I don’t know how accurate that is. I read that. No, it literally happened.

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No, no, no. I know that it happened. So wait, you’re saying that it happened.

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You’re saying exactly what I said, but you’re still arguing.

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No, but you’re saying, you’re framing it as though John Williams goes,

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hey, 16-year-old son, would you write some crap for the end of this movie? No, no, no.

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You’re the one that’s implying that Joseph Williams was super young.

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John Williams was pretty old when Return of the Jedi came out.

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50s or 60s. Yeah, Joseph Williams, I don’t know how old he was, but he was good.

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I mean, he was a proper musician. And I’m not debating his ability.

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I’m just saying George Lucas, when he came back, was like, you know one thing

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I need to fix? That song. Okay.

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Factually, you are correct.

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That’s the best kind of correct to be. But I think that you are framing it in

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a way that’s not accurate.

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Number one, many of us think that Yub Nub is not only…

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Iconic and great, but I think it might be the crowning achievement of the Star

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Wars… We’re going to just have to agree that I’m right.

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I wonder if it all boils down to your opinion of how old you were when you watched it.

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Yeah, if you’re six, maybe Yub Nub makes sense.

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But I watched it… But not for anybody that has musical taste.

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We’re going to explore, not this anymore. We’re going to end up outside is what’s going to happen.

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As riveted as this conversation is… Okay, let me get to my second point.

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That was the plan, was for me to play badly on all the songs and end up on a

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crappy song so that the two met. That’s the arc of the music.

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Okay, here was the unplanned thing that happened, the meta plot.

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James is still thinking in his mind about the time that Luke and Leia got together in Empire. So hot.

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So hot. That kiss was so hot. Would you agree, James?

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Yeah, because I’m like scratching my head. I’m like, they’re both really attractive

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people. Princess Leia and Luke Skywalker.

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Yeah. Yeah. They have a kiss in Empire and like incredibly attractive people.

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I don’t know that they’re quite as attractive as the CEO and the HR director

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at the Coldplay concert are.

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Because when I saw that, that was my first reaction is, hey,

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those people are really attractive people.

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No wonder he’s making $6 million and so forth. Right.

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You know, there’s a huge elephant in the room that I don’t think James is aware of. James, I’ll share.

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So what happens was Anakin Skywalker, he was with a woman named Padme Amidala.

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Wait, Anakin Skywalker being Luke Skywalker’s father. Yes. Okay.

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And you know Anakin Skywalker’s Darth Vader? Darth Vader, yes.

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So he was with a woman named Padme Amidala.

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All right. Now, before he went into the fort- Also known as Natalie Portman. Yeah. Very nice.

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Before he went to the dark side, he had a couple babies with Padme Amidala.

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Twins. One of the babies was named Luke. Do you know what the other baby was named? Nope.

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Take a guess. Do you want to take a guess? It’s a big elephant in the room. Oh my God.

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Makes all of this and your interpretation of that kiss seem very icky.

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I don’t know, James. Makes the kiss between Luke and some other person very icky.

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There were twins. Oh. There were twins that were.

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Princess Leia. Luke and Leia are brother and sister. Oh, I do recall hearing this.

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It’s bringing out stuff from my mind. That is such an awesome revelation for

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you to have at this moment. Wow.

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That doesn’t normally happen. No. Big Star Wars reveals.

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Yeah, that’s correct. And for years, for decades even, that has been a thing

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where people look back at that weird, passionate kiss and they go, what? Why?

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Yeah. And they’re like, why didn’t he just say, I am your father?

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And Leia’s father, too. Right. It’s just a little bit of information,

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Darth. Was that like a George Lucas, like, oh, they’re brothers and sisters.

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No, no. I think that was all planned. And it was an innocent kiss.

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It wasn’t a, I mean, it was kind of, it was kind of, yeah. But there are there.

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I mean, he goes at one point. So they’re saying, does this happen in Empire

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or Returns when he goes when someone?

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Oh, they go. He’s our last hope. The Obi-Wan and Yoda.

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And then he goes, no, there is another. And it’s implied that it’s Leia. Yeah.

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Oh, gosh. Is that? I think it’s when he, I think it’s Empire when he leaves

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without finishing his training.

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And it’s Yoda and Obi-Wan talking to each other. Right. And they’re like, oh, there is another.

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Yeah. This brings up a lot of questions, but I’m going to save these for another

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time because we can’t talk about.

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Well, I want to get into the first actual takeaway as far as like personal development and as far as.

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Number one, know who your kin are. Yeah. No.

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So the first takeaway is that it is not about recovery or no, no, sorry.

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It is about recovery. It’s not about flawless execution.

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And I think that’s pretty prevalent across all these movies.

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But in this one specifically, there are so many moments where you have a plan

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and you’re like, all right, we’re going to follow the plan. And then that plan changes.

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And then it’s all about what you do in that moment. First and foremost,

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the rancor, you know, we, the beast.

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You’re going to have to give some context to that. The beast of Jabba’s palace,

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so when they’re trying to save Han, rescue Han.

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Luke is not expecting to be trapped in a cage with a Rancor beast,

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and he has to figure it out. He has to get in there.

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That’s when he’s fighting Jabba the Hutt, and then he gets dropped down into this pit. Correct.

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Well, before he’s fighting Jabba, he goes and is trying to negotiate,

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and Jabba drops him into a trap door.

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Right. And he has to fight the big monstery thing.

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Yeah. That was scary. It was scary.

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But it’s across the whole thing, the shield, the Ewok, having to use Ewoks to create a version.

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And, you know, we have maligned Sheev Palpatine, Emperor Palpatine,

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but you got to hand it to him.

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He got his Death Star blown up. What does he do?

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He starts making a second bigger one. That guy’s like grabbing rubber tree plants, right?

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Just oops, there goes. You guys know the song? No. Like there’s an ant.

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I do know we have rubber trees at my house. Oops, there goes another rubber

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tree. You guys don’t know that song? What’s it from?

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Oh, God. I don’t know. Antiquity, I guess.

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It’s like standard for… All right. Never mind. I know this song.

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What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger?

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Which is the Palpatine… The Palpatine anthem. But it’s true.

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It’s true. It’s not about the problems.

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It’s not about looking completely perfect and polished. Nobody,

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even the highest achievers, don’t look perfect and polished every step of the way.

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We trip. COVID happens. I like it. Never mind.

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I won’t say it. I’ll say it. So we’re saying it’s easy to be a good leader or

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hero when things are going easy.

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So the way I look at the three movies, really, because I was really thinking

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as I was kind of wrapping up and we’re thinking about Return of the Jedi.

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And I was thinking, what’s this whole art? Because I do think that that was…

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In addition to making three movies with incredible special effects,

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with countless hours building those miniatures,

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figuring out new filming techniques, all that other talent and everything that

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went into it, it was a Western in space, and I loved Western.

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So, I mean, there was a lot going for it, but he has a three-movie arc for these

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characters that really nothing had given us that.

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There weren’t three movies. It wasn’t like the Ten Commandments and then the

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Eleven Commandments and then the Twelve Commandments, right?

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We didn’t have that stuff. It was one movie and you were kind of done up until then.

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I can’t think of anything that was really a series like that prior to Star Wars.

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I mean, a trilogy of movies.

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And I was thinking about it. I was like, oh, you know what’s happening here?

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The Star Wars movie was like the initiation or the premise. It was the stimulus.

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This is what, so stuff happened, right?

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Luke gets caught up in this thing. Princess Leia is captured.

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They meet Han Solo, all this stuff. That was kind of the initiation and the

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premise and kind of the world building to begin with.

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In Empire, our heroes get broken.

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Literally, Luke loses a hand. I mean, talk about broken. I mean, they get beaten down.

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It all seems insurmountable. And then in return of the Jedi,

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they come back and they’re like, you know what?

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We’re going to embrace the suck.

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We’re going to go do it. We’re powering through this and we’re going to do it

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because we know we can and we have a vision for this. And so I think that’s

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tying into this idea of it’s about your recovery. What can you recover from?

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How deep can you dig in and withstand whatever’s in your way?

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And that’s really what truly makes an amazing story. Here’s the real world arc.

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You start off, you’re learning, you get some experience, and then you get cocky.

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You think you’re the, you know what, right?

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And then you get humiliated or, you know, you fail.

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And then it’s about what you do with that. They came back, learned from their mistakes to be better.

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Yeah. But that also, so that leads into another key, I feel,

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takeaway from this is that the shift from…

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Empire Strikes Back to Return of the Jedi. Famously, Luke is wearing all black.

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He’s got this sleek black look.

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And when we first see him, he’s whining about power converters.

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And then when we see him in the second movie, he’s complaining about having

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to carry a puppet on his back.

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But in the third one, in the third one, he is very calm and he’s collected.

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And even whenever something doesn’t go to plan, he doesn’t freak out like he did in the first two.

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And that’s because of experience. So it’s also okay.

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It’s also okay to, if you are humiliated, to just keep moving forward,

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believe in yourself, because you know this, you know, this is only passing and

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that you’ve been through it. You’re a badass.

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Like you have earned your metal hand and new lightsaber.

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Absolutely. I, I, I think when you talk about Luke Skywalker’s journey at the

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end and really for anybody that it’s so interesting that the way you phrased

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it, James, because you’re like, you get, you go out, you build up this confidence and you get cocky.

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And that cockiness is a false bravado. That makes you lose your hand. Yeah, right.

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Because you don’t really realize what’s at risk and what you’re doing.

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And there’s still things that

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can knock you down because you’re not even aware of your own weaknesses.

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I would say that false bravado is a lack of introspection.

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And it’s something that we all face in our daily lives. If we’re out there,

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if we’re making, trying to make decisions and, oh, and then something comes

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along, let’s say I make a decision, something comes completely unexpected and I crater.

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Well, why did I crater? I didn’t crater. You don’t crater if you knew it was a possibility.

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You only crater because you’re surprised. Yeah.

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I, I will say that I left, I’m not going to go into that story. Actually, nevermind.

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So I think it’s fair to say that Eric doesn’t feel like the inclusion of Ewoks.

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You don’t share Roger’s perspective that the Ewoks represent the most innocuous

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of species and how you shouldn’t discount anybody because through teamwork, you can move mountains.

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You don’t subscribe to this thinking when it comes to Ewoks.

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So I’m a huge fan of the serenity prayer. Do you guys know that?

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Yeah, grant me the, yeah. Yeah, so do you know it?

00:16:38.604 –> 00:16:41.864
It’s from AA. I’ve heard of it, yeah. Yeah, so not that I’m in AA. Okay, okay.

00:16:42.024 –> 00:16:47.744
Yeah, but I can never quote it exactly, but it’s grant me the strength to deal

00:16:47.744 –> 00:16:53.744
with things I can, grant me the patience to deal with the things I can’t change,

00:16:53.924 –> 00:16:55.124
and the wisdom to know the difference.

00:16:55.944 –> 00:17:00.364
There are some things that you just can’t fight.

00:17:00.504 –> 00:17:03.104
You just, I mean, it’s insurmountable, right? You know, if, if,

00:17:03.204 –> 00:17:06.724
if the economy plunges, the economy plunges, there’s, you know,

00:17:06.764 –> 00:17:10.584
there’s poor people in Detroit who had lead in the pipe.

00:17:10.764 –> 00:17:14.324
I mean, you can rail and so forth, but it’s going to affect the neighborhood

00:17:14.324 –> 00:17:15.504
and it’s going to be a problem.

00:17:16.497 –> 00:17:22.837
That’s just the way that is. In the Star Wars universe, the Ewoks should never

00:17:22.837 –> 00:17:24.997
have had a chance against stormtroopers.

00:17:29.097 –> 00:17:35.377
Well, off microphone, we’ve talked about this, which is, do stormtroopers diminish

00:17:35.377 –> 00:17:38.117
after being cloned again and again and again?

00:17:38.417 –> 00:17:43.997
That is true. That is a hypothesis we came up with. And I do like the copy of a copy of a copy.

00:17:44.317 –> 00:17:46.297
Almost along the lines of inbred.

00:17:47.277 –> 00:17:53.377
In breeding? Yeah. You’re an expert on it at this point. I know. I know. Yeah. Sorry.

00:17:54.597 –> 00:18:01.597
But that is a bigger problem because even in the first one, remember that part

00:18:01.597 –> 00:18:05.797
where Han is running through the hallway and he runs into and there’s a…

00:18:07.137 –> 00:18:13.357
Han is chasing a group of stormtroopers and then he gets to a room and there’s

00:18:13.357 –> 00:18:16.137
a whole mess of stormtroopers and then they chase him. Yeah,

00:18:16.257 –> 00:18:18.457
and he screams and they turn around. Yeah. Yeah.

00:18:18.937 –> 00:18:24.557
But that’s soldier against soldier. Han’s an experienced combat vet.

00:18:25.257 –> 00:18:28.157
Eric. This is not a guy with a bow and arrow. Eric.

00:18:28.417 –> 00:18:32.477
What? He was running. He ran. All right. He chased four of them.

00:18:32.477 –> 00:18:34.377
All right. This is not. Four of them.

00:18:34.557 –> 00:18:39.577
And he found a room and then they chased him back. Why didn’t they all just shoot him?

00:18:40.337 –> 00:18:43.597
You know, you got to accept. There’s something wrong with.

00:18:44.977 –> 00:18:49.977
This is what you’re going to pick on but a puppet or not a puppet, a,

00:18:50.795 –> 00:18:56.415
beefed up dog with a bow and arrow can take out a mini walker and, and armed soldiers.

00:18:56.715 –> 00:19:01.775
That’s, that’s it’s no, no, no. You don’t know. If you don’t know, they’re coming.

00:19:02.115 –> 00:19:05.915
Folks, this may be the last episode of the bounce rate, because I think Roger

00:19:05.915 –> 00:19:09.015
and I are going to have to separate ways. We’ve drifted apart.

00:19:09.135 –> 00:19:11.315
We, well, we, we have different perspectives.

00:19:11.595 –> 00:19:16.415
Y’all moved on a little too fast because I have, I want to relate the trilogy

00:19:16.415 –> 00:19:20.175
of star Wars to having babies. Okay.

00:19:20.795 –> 00:19:24.415
Bear with me a moment here. I am all ears. All ears.

00:19:25.195 –> 00:19:29.715
You know, you’re new parents. You have a baby, right? And raising babies can

00:19:29.715 –> 00:19:32.935
be very, very hard sometimes. Sometimes it’s really easy, right?

00:19:33.355 –> 00:19:36.415
So, you know, you have the baby. You’re going along.

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And let’s take the parents where it’s really hard, right? Your baby doesn’t

00:19:40.655 –> 00:19:44.915
sleep. You read all the books. You do all the stuff. But the baby’s just not

00:19:44.915 –> 00:19:46.495
doing what you’re supposed to do.

00:19:47.355 –> 00:19:50.655
And you have to try all these different things, right? And you come out stronger.

00:19:51.275 –> 00:19:54.415
The other set of parents they have the baby and the baby’s perfect and they

00:19:54.415 –> 00:19:57.435
judge these other parents because they’re like

00:19:57.435 –> 00:20:00.235
oh you’re just not doing it right here’s the book this

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is what you do right and they have it’s so easy but they think they’re so good

00:20:07.395 –> 00:20:10.415
their journey was different than the other person’s journey the second baby

00:20:10.415 –> 00:20:14.175
they have gives them a little problem and now they’re not prepared oh i see

00:20:14.175 –> 00:20:19.295
what i’m saying yeah i don’t know why that came to me but Does that make sense?

00:20:19.395 –> 00:20:22.055
Did I finish my point out there? Yeah, I don’t.

00:20:22.875 –> 00:20:26.235
That I’m glad we only had one child? Yes. Yeah.

00:20:27.135 –> 00:20:34.535
No, you’re talking about the principle of you had the first one and they didn’t

00:20:34.535 –> 00:20:35.555
give you much of a problem.

00:20:36.095 –> 00:20:41.155
And then you’re probably from a position of like, well, this is easy.

00:20:41.255 –> 00:20:42.375
So that didn’t hit right, right?

00:20:42.475 –> 00:20:45.815
So there’s parents that have kids and they, because there’s a bunch of things

00:20:45.815 –> 00:20:48.655
you’re supposed to do, right? Like, oh, you know.

00:20:49.634 –> 00:20:54.014
To make the baby, you know, your rule. Play Baby Einstein videos.

00:20:54.014 –> 00:20:56.834
Or, no, like, you know, if the baby cries, you know, don’t go in there.

00:20:57.094 –> 00:20:59.114
You know, I don’t know. There’s all these different things, right?

00:20:59.114 –> 00:21:03.754
Some parents think they’re perfect because it’s just the baby comes out easy. Right, right.

00:21:03.994 –> 00:21:09.214
And then those parents are always like, oh, to the parents that had a hard time,

00:21:09.334 –> 00:21:12.574
like, you need to do this. Or, you know, in their mind, they’re like,

00:21:13.394 –> 00:21:14.654
you’re not doing it. Yeah, they got it all figured out.

00:21:15.234 –> 00:21:18.994
Have you seen Kenobi? Anyone seen Kenobi? No, I have not.

00:21:18.994 –> 00:21:22.234
Tv plus i have not it the it’s a

00:21:22.234 –> 00:21:25.594
story about what if young child leia

00:21:25.594 –> 00:21:30.634
and obi-wan go on adventure i don’t just remind me of that because luke and

00:21:30.634 –> 00:21:34.314
leia are kind of two different they’re being raised by two different people

00:21:34.314 –> 00:21:42.874
luke is being raised by owen lars on uh tatooine and leia is being raised by the Organas.

00:21:43.934 –> 00:21:49.934
You’ve lost me. Well, the short of that is that Luke has basically grown up

00:21:49.934 –> 00:21:51.374
on a farm, farming. Right.

00:21:51.654 –> 00:21:54.634
Leia’s in the middle of political intrigue. Right.

00:21:54.674 –> 00:21:59.094
It’s the dying days of the Republic as they shift to an empire,

00:21:59.094 –> 00:22:05.114
and she’s playing political games and her parents are playing political games

00:22:05.114 –> 00:22:08.434
to try to save the remnants of the Republic.

00:22:08.434 –> 00:22:12.174
So there’s a much higher degree of sophistication on Leah’s side,

00:22:12.334 –> 00:22:15.874
Leah’s side, to understand all the politics going on.

00:22:16.254 –> 00:22:20.374
But it is interesting because just they have similar traits,

00:22:20.454 –> 00:22:23.054
but certainly their parents probably dealt with different problems.

00:22:24.077 –> 00:22:29.137
And, you know, that’s been retconned a bunch. So I definitely think that I,

00:22:29.297 –> 00:22:34.357
so starting with that concept of you’re not going to have flawless execution.

00:22:34.597 –> 00:22:38.897
It’s about what you can overcome and recover from is really important.

00:22:38.977 –> 00:22:43.897
I think we touched on the idea of you have to kind of know yourself.

00:22:43.977 –> 00:22:46.017
You have to believe in yourself and you have to know yourself.

00:22:46.337 –> 00:22:51.017
And there’s a false bravado that a lot of us get when we have easy success.

00:22:51.217 –> 00:22:54.917
Here, this is tying in very nicely. Yeah. Thank you for.

00:22:55.137 –> 00:22:58.437
Yeah. So so when you have that first child and it all works out,

00:22:58.517 –> 00:23:00.917
you’re like, oh, yeah, I’m amazing at this.

00:23:01.057 –> 00:23:04.297
And then you have a second child and you’re like, oh, I was not prepared.

00:23:05.617 –> 00:23:11.537
And you’re like, oh, my. And your entire world crashes because you thought you

00:23:11.537 –> 00:23:13.717
had it. You thought you you knew everything.

00:23:14.097 –> 00:23:20.197
And through that that difficulty, through the difficulty of trying to make salary

00:23:20.197 –> 00:23:23.977
for everybody that month or paying, paying everybody’s salaries or paying.

00:23:24.077 –> 00:23:27.957
Bills or getting customers, whatever it might be, you know, trying to get promoted,

00:23:28.197 –> 00:23:35.977
you actually become stronger and you become aware not only of reality and the

00:23:35.977 –> 00:23:40.277
things you can’t change, but also your place in that and what’s real.

00:23:40.377 –> 00:23:44.717
And so then you have an actual belief in your system that’s real, not just fake.

00:23:45.437 –> 00:23:49.017
And I’m going to add on, because this is something that the three of us had

00:23:49.017 –> 00:23:56.237
talked about before the show is at the end, a lot of times you may be the only

00:23:56.237 –> 00:23:58.917
one that actually sees what success looks like.

00:23:59.437 –> 00:24:04.777
Right. That’s a really true point because when you’re, you know,

00:24:04.877 –> 00:24:09.417
if you’re a small business owner, there’s no one else in that ship with you really.

00:24:09.637 –> 00:24:12.637
You know what I mean? Maybe your wife or partner or whatever,

00:24:12.677 –> 00:24:15.357
but yeah. You might be alone.

00:24:15.577 –> 00:24:19.637
You might be the one person that sees the redeeming quality in Darth Vader.

00:24:19.757 –> 00:24:23.557
You might be the one person that sees the…

00:24:24.932 –> 00:24:29.692
The prophecy that someone’s going to bring balance of the force and you know

00:24:29.692 –> 00:24:32.892
the potential, but maybe not everyone else does.

00:24:33.112 –> 00:24:36.452
Yeah. As much as like in Star Wars, you know, there is a team effort,

00:24:36.632 –> 00:24:38.732
right? Everybody has a role, they do their thing.

00:24:39.352 –> 00:24:43.592
That doesn’t translate super well to all businesses, right? Because you are

00:24:43.592 –> 00:24:47.172
kind of, you know, you have people that do roles, but you’re overseeing them.

00:24:47.312 –> 00:24:51.152
And you have to be driving it. You have to be the driving factor for all that. Yeah.

00:24:51.792 –> 00:24:56.012
Just to be perfectly clear, I don’t hate Return of the Jedi.

00:24:56.632 –> 00:25:01.792
I just want to be perfectly clear. There are parts of it that I don’t think

00:25:01.792 –> 00:25:04.152
were as good as they could have been.

00:25:04.272 –> 00:25:08.372
And it was an opportunity missed. The whole trilogy as a whole,

00:25:08.552 –> 00:25:12.972
even that movie by itself, was a pretty fantastic movie.

00:25:13.232 –> 00:25:16.732
And this is something that I was much better at when I was younger.

00:25:16.872 –> 00:25:20.712
I could just suspend my disbelief. Like when I saw Return of the Jedi,

00:25:21.032 –> 00:25:24.312
I did not walk out being like, oh, the Ewoks, what the heck?

00:25:24.412 –> 00:25:27.412
I walked out being like, oh, my God, what an amazing movie.

00:25:27.632 –> 00:25:31.832
So there was a situation where George Lucas had the vision. He was right.

00:25:32.592 –> 00:25:37.612
I loved it. That’s true. From a macro perspective, he knew like,

00:25:37.632 –> 00:25:39.272
oh, this is going to be something.

00:25:42.072 –> 00:25:46.312
And he didn’t get a lot of support from other people. No. But if you could go

00:25:46.312 –> 00:25:50.052
back, would you take the Ewoks out completely or just change the role in the movie?

00:25:51.201 –> 00:25:55.561
I just would have made it a little more, because I like the idea that these,

00:25:55.701 –> 00:26:01.681
like you said, innocent creatures are, they could have served as a distraction.

00:26:01.681 –> 00:26:04.141
They could have pulled away some of the forces.

00:26:04.521 –> 00:26:10.561
I didn’t have a problem with them pulling people away so that Han and Leia and

00:26:10.561 –> 00:26:15.061
the rest of the rebels on the moon could escape.

00:26:15.241 –> 00:26:19.481
That made perfect sense to me. I just didn’t buy that they were going to all

00:26:19.481 –> 00:26:23.481
of a sudden win an actual heads-up battle with bows and arrows versus things.

00:26:23.601 –> 00:26:27.581
So I think they could have had more rebels come in to support them that could

00:26:27.581 –> 00:26:28.901
have bought them the time.

00:26:29.541 –> 00:26:35.561
I will give Lucas credit, though. He did sacrifice some Ewoks. I mean, they— Wait.

00:26:35.921 –> 00:26:39.621
Are Luke sacrificed? No, no, no. Lucas. Oh, Lucas.

00:26:40.001 –> 00:26:42.801
Yeah, George Lucas. He sacrificed some Ewoks. I mean, there was— Yeah,

00:26:42.801 –> 00:26:44.941
they died. Yeah, there were actual—there was deaths in there.

00:26:44.941 –> 00:26:47.021
I think there were way more that died.

00:26:47.261 –> 00:26:51.601
I think that the portion that we saw where they were kicking ass,

00:26:51.981 –> 00:26:54.541
I think those were minimal highlights.

00:26:54.621 –> 00:26:57.521
Just the highlights written by the victors. Exactly.

00:26:58.081 –> 00:27:01.421
Just like every war, right? History is written by the victors.

00:27:01.501 –> 00:27:03.781
What you didn’t see is it basically wiped out their race.

00:27:04.241 –> 00:27:07.121
You know what I mean? Like they were really struggling to recover.

00:27:07.601 –> 00:27:11.661
Yeah. Also, though, I wouldn’t say that they’re innocent. They’re quite carnivorous,

00:27:11.681 –> 00:27:14.841
and they absolutely ate the corpses of those.

00:27:15.161 –> 00:27:20.601
They did. And they’re playing bongo on the heads of stormtroopers at the end. Yeah.

00:27:21.301 –> 00:27:27.361
I don’t think… Look, I don’t think anything’s a perfect movie, and certainly my…

00:27:28.714 –> 00:27:34.674
When I first watched these movies, I was six years old, and I was watching them on VHS.

00:27:34.874 –> 00:27:41.534
So totally can understand how. And it’s the same principle for the prequels,

00:27:41.534 –> 00:27:45.374
because when the prequels came out, I was like 13.

00:27:45.834 –> 00:27:49.294
So I thought it was just the coolest thing I’ve ever seen. I was like,

00:27:49.374 –> 00:27:53.054
this is great. So I can understand why everyone else was like, what is this?

00:27:53.414 –> 00:27:55.934
But I’m an Ewok fan.

00:27:56.414 –> 00:28:03.194
Okay. Well, I think the nice thing is we’ve bridged our differences just in

00:28:03.194 –> 00:28:04.234
this conversation, Roger.

00:28:04.494 –> 00:28:06.854
I still want to fight. I still want to fight. Oh, we’re going to do that.

00:28:06.994 –> 00:28:10.634
Yeah. We’re definitely going to do that. But it doesn’t mean we can’t be friends

00:28:10.634 –> 00:28:12.394
afterwards. For the sake of the episode.

00:28:12.754 –> 00:28:17.374
Check Instagram for that video clip. Yeah. Coming up. We’re going to stream it live.

00:28:19.214 –> 00:28:24.154
Which polymarket will we use for the bets? I don’t know. I keep seeing commercials

00:28:24.154 –> 00:28:28.214
for, like, Calci or something like that, where you can bet or, like, buy anything.

00:28:28.534 –> 00:28:34.154
Yeah, that’s a polymarket. Okay, yeah. Those where you literally bet on anything coming up.

00:28:34.234 –> 00:28:40.634
They had bets on just, it’s kind of morbid, but, I mean, you can literally bet

00:28:40.634 –> 00:28:41.994
on anything. Yeah. Yeah.

00:28:42.414 –> 00:28:44.754
And the insider trade, don’t get me started. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:28:44.814 –> 00:28:47.034
I know. I’m like, how is this even pot? Anyways.

00:28:47.354 –> 00:28:50.794
The last thing I want to say about. I will be making a bet.

00:28:51.895 –> 00:28:57.095
The last thing I want to say about the score about Yub Nub is.

00:28:58.255 –> 00:29:03.135
We just got over it, man. No, I’ll never ever get over it. You got, oh. Is the.

00:29:03.315 –> 00:29:09.395
Thought we’d moved on. No, we’ll never do that. It’s the huge difference in.

00:29:10.375 –> 00:29:17.795
So you’ve got orchestral tracks. You’ve got quasi jazz in Star Wars.

00:29:17.915 –> 00:29:23.415
It’s called jizz and the cantina. And then finally, you’ve got like,

00:29:23.435 –> 00:29:29.035
you know, tribal sounding music, like just the fact that George Lucas music

00:29:29.035 –> 00:29:32.735
spans all the cultural appropriations.

00:29:33.215 –> 00:29:37.375
I don’t know. I, I, I like that. I like that. There’s a lot of them there.

00:29:37.735 –> 00:29:44.235
All right, folks, any final takeaways about Return of the Jedi or favorite parts of this movie?

00:29:45.055 –> 00:29:52.755
I mean, I just, I remember the chases through the trees on their little flying sticks. On the what?

00:29:53.955 –> 00:29:59.235
I don’t know. They were like flying sticks. It’s a crossover to Harry Potter.

00:29:59.395 –> 00:30:03.055
Yeah. Did you remember when Luke caught the snitchet? Yeah.

00:30:04.651 –> 00:30:07.331
They’re like and they’re like i mean that was

00:30:07.331 –> 00:30:10.351
pretty cool i thought that was pretty good they are at the time it was

00:30:10.351 –> 00:30:13.191
cool speeders they’re called speeders speeders yeah

00:30:13.191 –> 00:30:16.431
i mean they were like they weren’t big they were like you know like they’re

00:30:16.431 –> 00:30:20.511
like motorcycles no they’re like sticks they’re not sticks they’re like a broom

00:30:20.511 –> 00:30:25.591
man a modified broom i i did there’s nothing wrong with that i drive an electrical

00:30:25.591 –> 00:30:30.711
car electric car and we call it a glorified go-kart golf cart yeah,

00:30:31.811 –> 00:30:34.831
I liked how the Terminator just couldn’t be killed in the movie.

00:30:35.891 –> 00:30:37.811
They’re thinking of a different movie.

00:30:39.071 –> 00:30:44.271
I liked how Jason came back out of the water every Friday the 13th.

00:30:44.551 –> 00:30:48.871
Who do you think would win? Luke Skywalker or the Terminator?

00:30:49.391 –> 00:30:54.691
Oh, like which version? The final version of Luke Skywalker.

00:30:54.931 –> 00:30:56.111
No, no, no. The final version.

00:30:56.851 –> 00:31:01.751
Are we talking Arnold Schwarzenegger or are we talking the liquid metal guys? Yeah, T-1000.

00:31:02.291 –> 00:31:05.491
Oh, so liquid metal. I don’t know. What does a lightsaber do to that?

00:31:05.591 –> 00:31:09.371
I think it would cut it through because in Terminator 2, they kill the guy by

00:31:09.371 –> 00:31:11.331
putting him in whatever.

00:31:11.631 –> 00:31:17.971
And so I think the lightsaber would just chop through the Terminator and Jedi would win.

00:31:18.131 –> 00:31:20.851
Yeah, I think Jedi wins in both cases. Yeah.

00:31:21.431 –> 00:31:26.311
Yeah. Well, next time we’re going to watch the Terminator and we’re going to give…

00:31:27.111 –> 00:31:32.011
I think we should stick to musical scores so that it gets feisty.

00:31:32.011 –> 00:31:33.891
It gets more heated? Yeah. I’m down.

00:31:34.311 –> 00:31:38.431
It’s about what you can come back from, not what you’ve built.

00:31:38.571 –> 00:31:42.431
When we last saw Luke Skywalker, he was broken, overwhelmed, and incomplete.

00:31:42.711 –> 00:31:48.071
When we meet him again, he walks straight into danger with calm, control, and presence.

00:31:48.391 –> 00:31:54.851
The real return on investment is not the win itself. It’s who you had to become to earn it.